POPE JOHN PAUL II
What happened to The Pope John Paul II when he died?
SESSION 11/APR/05
Medium: Jorge Raul Olguin.
Entity that came to dialogue: Master Ruanel
Interlocutor: Can we talk about the disincarnation of the Pope John Paul II? Many people asked me about it?
Ruanel: Yes, go ahead.
Interlocutor: Well. What was the cause of his disincarnation? Something particular? I ask it to know if there was something strange about his death.
Ruanel: No, there was nothing strange. He simply died because of his deteriorated physical condition.
Interlocutor: So we can affirm that his death was natural.
Ruanel: Correct.
Interlocutor: We know that Pope is a spirit of error of the plane 3. To which plane did he go when he died?
Ruanel: He’s in the plane 3.3.
Interlocutor: Plane of error 3, sublevel 3?
Ruanel: Correct.
Interlocutor: I see that he returned to the same plane.
Ruanel: Correct and to the same sublevel.
Interlocutor: Many people emphasized about the good things he did.
Ruanel: Yes, he did many good things, among them he interceded for peace, but he had many negative things since we allowed himself to be manipulated by people of his entourage and to be so stubborn reaching foolishness on Catholic issues.
Interlocutor: I suppose that he continued in the negative things because of his own sexual repressions.
Ruanel: Yes, of course.
Interlocutor: For example, about the prophylactic, he didn't want to know anything about it?
Ruanel: Correct. In the physical plane there are 15 year-old girls who already had their first sexual intercourse and they don't have the slightest idea of how to take care of themselves and they get pregnant in that way.
The church has the defect of only keeping in mind, when it gives an encyclical, to the constituted marriage, forgetting that 90% of the teenagers, in all the countries have pre-marital intercourse.
Interlocutor: Isn’t criminal to think that sexual relationships are only to procreate and not for pleasure? Concretely, in the spiritual planes are you in favor of prophylactics?
Ruanel: Prophylactics prevent ignorant families from having ten or twelve children and among them three die as it happens in many countries.
Interlocutor: a 30%?
Ruanel: Correct. And without going to other places this happens in many regions of your own country.
Interlocutor: I don’t remember if an Argentinean newspaper published something so overwhelming.
Ruanel: What happens is that they don't publish it. They will say that it is one death per thousand, but never 30%.
Interlocutor: I understand... Continuing with the Pope John Paul II, I refuse to believe that he didn't know that his predecessor was murdered by his own bishops. How could he not know it?
Ruanel: What happens is that he closed his mind and he didn't want to be informed. He was only worried about his popedom.
Interlocutor: Did he escape from his commitment?
Ruanel: Totally.
Interlocutor: But I suppose that somebody commented him about the murder of John Paul I.
Ruanel: Yes, of course, but he clarified that he didn’t want to talk about that issue.
Interlocutor: He didn’t want to find out at least?
Ruanel: No, not at all.
Interlocutor: But it is obvious that in the bottom he could not stop knowing it.
Ruanel: Of course. His own Thetan also transmitted it to him.
Interlocutor: Which was the most mistaken idea that the Pope John Paul II had?
Ruanel: Thinking that Jesus was the only way to reach the Father. He didn’t speak about about Service that is, he was not interested in Service just like most of the Catholics. They believe that only the entity called Christ can save them. They confuse the spirit of Jesus with the Christic Energy and they are two totally different entities.
Interlocutor: Actually it is a widespread confusion.
Ruanel: Correct, not only the Catholics have that mistake.
Interlocutor: I suppose that his 10% disembodied was surprised when he didn’t see what he was expecting to find. Is it correct?
Ruanel: Totally.
Interlocutor: What was his fantasy?
Ruanel: His ego told him that he was the biggest man on Earth, something like a "Living saint"
Interlocutor: So to explain it in a graphic way, how did his 90% receive to his 10% when he disembodied?
Ruanel: His thetan encounter himself with a tremendous resentment of his 10% who destabilized him, because he said things like: “this is not fair!”, “God has not been merciful with me”, “he didn't keep in mind everything I did for the planet!”, “How can it be that I returned to the same place and I was not ascended!”, and things like that.
Interlocutor: That was obvious.
Ruanel: And notice how ignorant the incarnated beings are. First of all, you already know that in the spiritual planes there are no saints, but Spirits of Light and sanctity demands chastity among other things.
Interlocutor: Which is nonsense!
Ruanel: Totally. because many of us, being Spirits of Light, when we were incarnated we have not been chaste and that lack of chastity didn't decrease our Light.
Interlocutor: I understand the point perfectly.
Ruanel: Then, chastity as a factor of elevation of the spirit when one is incarnated is null.
Interlocutor: I understand.
Ruanel: Second, in order that somebody be declared saint, he or she must perform miracles. Do you follow me?
Interlocutor: Yes, perfectly.
Ruanel: And most of the Spirits that are in the plane 5, which is a plane of maximum Light, we have not performed any miracle!
Interlocutor: I understand, and the conclusion is that neither chastity nor performing of miracles indicate an Elevated Spirit and of course those things don’t rise the Spirit of plane. Is it Correct?
Ruanel: Correct.
Interlocutor: When you say that most of the Spirits of Light have not performed miracles, I suppose that you are thinking of the exception of the Master Jesus.
Ruanel: When I speak about miracles I am referring to “extraordinary facts” for the time in which they were performed, because we have already spoken many times that miracles don’t exist, but only in the mysticism of the Catholic Church and other religions, which is plainly absurd.
Interlocutor: The point is clear and it is worthless to keep talking about it. As I always say, “There are no miracles, but unknown scientific facts.”
Ruanel: Exactly. Those two precepts that the Catholic Church demands so that somebody be named “saint” - chastity and miracles -, in the planes of Light don't make any sense... What does chastity have to do with Service?
Interlocutor: Well, everything is clear. I’d like to deepen a little more about the disincarnation of John Paul II because it’s something that many people have asked me.
Ruanel: Okay, Ask me.
Interlocutor: What was concretely the fantasy of the Pope John Paul II when he disembodied? I mean, What did he believe he would find? I guess that when he found himself with something totally different he was filled with stupor.
Ruanel: In his fantasy he thought he was a great Pope and that he would meet God to whom he imagined with an anthropomorphic form.
Interlocutor: Anthropomorphic? What a childish idea he had about God!... And how did he imagine the Paradise?
Ruanel: He imagined it as something similar to the terrestrial world, but with objects more blurred.
Interlocutor: No women or anything of these things?
Ruanel: Yes, also with women.
Interlocutor: I cannot believe it! But are we talking about free sex in Paradise?
Ruanel: No, he believe in a Paradise with demure women and all of them in the roles of maidservants.
Interlocutor: No, Master, I don't believe it, you are teasing me...
Ruanel: No, it is not a joke. That is the idea the Pope John Paul II had about Heaven.
Interlocutor: Well, I must admit that the Pope was more delirious than I expected. Sincerely, I admitted the possibility that he was wrong, like all of us can be somehow, but not until that extreme. I laugh because I suppose that, at least men, we always have the hope that in Heaven we can have sex with beautiful women, and the Pope had the idea of a Heaven with demure women!
Ruanel: You know that in the spiritual world there is no sex.
Interlocutor: Yes, I already know that, Master. You already know that I am fantasizing a little. Don't forget that I might have something of Nero. I remember what my thetan told me in a session that only the statues were out of danger.[1]
Ruanel: These things have to be clarified always very well so that people don't be confused when reading these messages. It will never be sufficient to repeat that in the spiritual world there are no sexes, neither races, nor parents, nor mothers, nor siblings. There are only spirits.
Interlocutor: Okay. Definitely, the Pope's fantasy was that Heaven was a place similar to the physical plane but simply a better place.
Ruanel: Yes, a better place and with total enjoyment, which is false because the higher the plane is, the more one suffers. It is not a suffering for oneself but one suffers for the others.
Interlocutor: The Pope John Paul II could not be more wrong than he was!... Well, I continue with the questions. What happened, to the Pope's 10% is integrated with his 90% or thetan? I mean if there was something like a collision. I don’t know how to explain it better.
Ruanel: When the 10% of the Pope disincarnated and saw that nothing he had had fantasized about was real, he sank in a sudden resentment, and as his 90% already had that resentment, there was no collision, but rather they vibrated in unison.
Interlocutor: I understand.
Ruanel: His 90%, also endorsed many things made by his 10%.
Interlocutor: Do you mean that his 90% was in agreement condemning sex for pleasure, classifying homosexuality as a perversion and all those things?
Ruanel: Correct. His 90% endorsed all the things that are condemnable by the Catholic Church.
Interlocutor: Concretely, at this time, April 11 2005, 18:00 hrs. In which plane is the Pope's spirit (100%)? I mean if he is making some mission or something like that.
Ruanel: Mission? No, in the plane 3 there are no missions, because the spirits of error are not interested in Service. The Spirit of the Pope John Paul II is isolated with a tremendous resentment.
In contrast with what happens in the plane 2, which is a plane of fights for power and the spirits are devoted especially to bother the incarnated beings of the plane
Interlocutor: The spirits of error of the plane 3 don't bother to the incarnated beings?
Ruanel: No, they rarely do it. In the plane 3 fundamentally the spirits are devoted, -to say it somehow-, to feel as victims. If you want to understand to the spirits of the plane 2 you can compare them with those inmates of a prison who are devoted to do more wicked acts instead of doing good things. On the contrary, in the plane 3, the spirits are mumbling continually: “Why I am here?” “I don't deserve this” and things like that.
Interlocutor: So they waste their time pitifully.
Ruanel: Correct, until some of them suddenly awake and think on how to do in order to revert their problem, then they think about Service and when they do that, they stop thinking about themselves and when they start thinking about the others, they automatically ascend of plane.
Interlocutor: But the Spirit of the Pope at this time is..
Ruanel: At this time he is with a tremendous resentment, with a tremendous reactivation.
Interlocutor: I assume that he must have been surprised when he didn’t find the Father, and not even Jesus or the Virgin Mary. Doesn’t he have the clear idea at least that he wasted his time in the physical plane when he returned to the same plane where he was?
Ruanel: No, because although his 10% is integrated to his 90%, He still believes that in the physical plane he did well.
Interlocutor: Is John Paul II detached of his role of Pope?
Ruanel: No, not at all. He still continues attached to that role.
Interlocutor: While the Pope was incarnated, Did his 90% suggest him something? I mean if he suggested him that he changes his mind about some issues.
Ruanel: No, because his 90% was so imbued in his Ego that he had the same idea his 10% had, thinking that the only way to reverse karma was through austerity, through chastity, through being dogmatical in a doctrine and follow it literally.
Interlocutor: Master, but that is nonsense!
Ruanel: The Pope John Paul II saw things from a very small point of view.
Interlocutor: So his thetan agreed that his 10% was a Pope?
Ruanel: Of course, and for that reason there was no conflict between his 10% and his 90% when he disembodied.
Interlocutor: I understand.
Ruanel: It was as if a big boy had told to a small boy: “You did well, my son”
Interlocutor: But any way his 10% at the moment he disembodied had a tremendous surprise.
Ruanel: Totally! He thought that he would see a totally different world, a luminous and radiant world, with the Master Jesus sat down at the Father's right hand and him at the left hand.
Interlocutor: That is absolute insanity!
Ruanel: This is nothing more than limitless Ego. Besides, the concept that the Catholic Church has about God is so, but so small.
Interlocutor: I don’t even want to ask you with regard they want to declare him “saint”.
Ruanel: That is something really funny because they are attributing to him miracles that surprisingly were not assigned to him when he was incarnated. At this time according to them there are 23 proven miracles: cancer cures and that sort of things.
Interlocutor: Obviously they are all false cures.
Ruanel: What happens is that in many cases there was something called “placebo effect” and people believe they have solved a problem but in reality they didn't solved it at all, but rather the problems persists although it is hidden.
Interlocutor: I understand. So the “miracles” of the Pope are nothing more than “placebo effects”?
Ruanel: Correct. They are “miracles” between quotation marks.
Interlocutor: It is clear. Is there some other negative point to stress it as an example of this Pope?
Ruanel: Yes, especially he always endorsed persistence on marriage even though husband and wife were destroying themselves, he was against concubinage.
Interlocutor: So he ratified the senseless conceptions of the Catholic Church.
Ruanel: Even Worse, he regressed them. At the present time there are laymen who directly are against the ideas the Pope left, they have even written books about it.
Interlocutor: Is his testament real or it was modified?
Ruanel: It was modified.
Interlocutor: In which point was it modified?
Ruanel: For example, he wanted desperately that his writings were published and see the light. The Pope had written about many facts that had happened during his popedom and in his last will he asked that his books were published.
Interlocutor: But in the published testament he says the opposite!
Ruanel: I meant that, in the testament appeared that the Pope wanted that all his private writings were burnt.
Interlocutor: I already thought there was something strange.
Ruanel: But it is logical. It’s false he requested that his writings were burnt! Besides, it is illogical because, imagine to somebody incarnated with a big ego as the Pope had, he believed that his work was the biggest thing on Earth. Do you believe that he would like to see his works disappear and perish with him?
Interlocutor: No, of course not.
Ruanel: The Pope thought: “I will disappear from the physical plane but my work will last” How will he request then in his last will that they burn his papers? Please!
Interlocutor: It is clear. Is it known in the planes of Light who will be the next Pope?
Ruanel: No, you already know that we don’t know the future, but rather we can only speculate about it.
Interlocutor: Yes, I already know it, but at least you might have some idea.
Ruanel: At this moment there are two possibilities: 60% that the new Pope be Italian, as most of them were, and 40% that the Pope be Latin, but free will can modify this current tendency.[2]
Interlocutor: There is a certain St. Malachy who has left prophecies allegedly regarding to the succession of the Popes. Is there something real on this?
Ruanel: No, all of 'them are abstract, general issues that were even modified with the course of time, adapted, distorted. Even some of them have failed, because they said that in the year 2.000 was going to be a change and nothing happened.
Interlocutor: No influence of time travelers, then?
Ruanel: No, not at all.
Interlocutor: And the spirits of error?
Ruanel: They are always present when they want to confuse and make fun of people.
Interlocutor: I understand. Do you glimpse from your plane 5 if the next Pope will be more open-minded than John Paul II?
Ruanel: We consider that he will be a little bit more open-minded.
Interlocutor: Is the Conclave to choose the next Pope fraudulent?
Ruanel: No, but it is an obsolete system that doesn't make any sense. Besides, the Pope is elected by fallible men where political issues are involved and many other things.
Interlocutor: This means that they choose the Pope they consider the best according to the ideas they have of how the Catholic Church should be?
Ruanel: Correct.
Interlocutor: How are the discussions in the Conclave?
Ruanel: It is similar to a jury of Justice, where the elect are locked up and they discuss if the defendant is guilty or innocent and they don't leave the enclosure until they have a verdict.
Interlocutor: Are those discussions peaceful?
Ruanel: No, not at all, they are tremendously convulsed.
Interlocutor: But definitely it is nothing more than an underhanded transaction.
Ruanel: Totally.
Interlocutor: Are there also economic issues?
Ruanel: The discussion is fundamentally political, but the political issue also involves economic issues.
Interlocutor: I understand. At this moment I remember something that I forgot to ask regarding to the murder of the Pope John Paul I, and it is if the Cardinal Villot was the intellectual author of his murder.
Ruanel: Yes, he was, I confirm it to you.
Interlocutor: Well, do you agree if we conclude with the topic about the death of the Pope John Paul II, or would you like to add something more?
Ruanel: No, not for the time being.
[1] H is the reincarnation of Nero the Roman Emperor
[2] At the moment the session took place these figures were only conjectures of the Masters of Light since they do not know the future. Only Eon and time travelers can “predict” the future. Obviously the Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was elected and it was an unpredictable event based on free will.
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