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CLONING
SESSION 18/SEPT/99
Medium: Jorge Olguin.

Entity that came to dialogue: Johnakan Ur-El
Interlocutor: ... What about the cloning of animals? My question is related to this case because, for example, in Japan there are places where they served meat of cloned cows... Is it healthy to eat this kind of meat?
Johnakan Ur-El: There is still a mistake regarding to cloning... Let’s suppose that we have a bull of 20 years old, then from that bull they extract cells, they inject those cells into the uterus of a cow and a calf is born. That calf, at his six months can end up having in his genes a genetic information that indicates that he is 20 years old, just like the bull that donated the cells. It means that, in spite of being small, his genes indicate that he is 20 years old like his father
Do you understand what I mean?
Interlocutor: Perfectly, there is a gap between the real age of the cloned calf and his genetic material...
Johnakan Ur-El: Exactly. The cloning is not so perfect so that the biological age of the calf be six months, his real age.
Interlocutor: But returning to the question... Is the cloned meat suitable for consumption?
Johnakan Ur-El: Correct. It’s not harmful at all.
Interlocutor: And Is it nutriotious?
Johnakan Ur-El: It’s like any other meat!
Interlocutor: And what about the thetan of that cloned animal? My question, in fact, aims to a cloned man, when this advance be achieved... Would that human being have a spirit?
Johnakan Ur-El: It was already said previously that all the cloned beings would have their own spirit, because the body would be the riverbed and the spirit would be the water that flows over the riverbed.
Interlocutor: How come?
Johnakan Ur-El: Sure, because the spirit will not necessarily take an entity that is in the mother's uterus, but rather he can also take a cloned entity in vitro.
Interlocutor: Then they are not beings without soul?
Johnakan Ur-El: No, that is nonsense. What must be clear in cloning is that the method has not yet been perfected so that the cloned creature's age coincides with his real age. The same like animals, their genes are going to represent the age of the animal that donated the cells.
If the human being is 30 years old, the genetic information of that cloned baby can represent a biological age of 30 years, even if he has the appearance of a baby. And he can even have congenital disorders according to the age of the father or the mother.
This issue of cloning, therefore has to be perfected.
Interlocutor: Well, this explanation is clear enough...
SESSION 07/JAN/02
Medium: Jorge Olguin.

Entity that came to dialogue: Ruanel
Interlocutor: With regard to the cloned babies, the Raelian sect and the Italian gynecologist Antinori. Are they telling the truth or it’s an entire fraud?
Ruanel: They are telling the truth. At these moments there must be four to six cloned babies.
Interlocutor: On behalf of the Raelians, How many cloned babies are there
Ruanel: At this time there are two.
Interlocutor: Then, although the Raelians belong to a delirious sect, it is not a fraud the issue of the cloned babies.
Ruanel: Correct, it’s not a fraud. The Raelians have big geneticists at their disposal, and they are doing the cloning seriously.

SESSION 13/DEC/02
Medium: Jorge Olguin.

Entity that came to dialogue: Johnakan Ur-El
Interlocutor: According to the newspaperLa Trompetapublished on 27/NOV/2002, the first cloned human baby will be born. Is that true? There is a doctor named Severino Antinori. I ask it because I understood that human cloning, although it is possible scientifically, from the point of view of the results it is a disaster because the problems have not yet been solved.
Johnakan Ur-El: Yes, the cloning of babies it is true. The problem is that they have not solved the issue of premature aging, because they are using cells that already have certain age and...
Interlocutor: Isn’t this something aberrant?
Johnakan Ur-El: Actually, what they are going to do... Remember what we said already several years ago that the cloned being has a spirit as any other being. There is no difference between a clone and a spirit born normally. There is no clone without spirit. The cloned human being is a real human being.
Interlocutor: Yes, that is clear. But he is going to disembody soon isn’t he? Is it something similar to progeria that condition wherein symptoms resembling aspects of aging are manifested at an early age and that later on provoke death, generally during the adolescence?
Johnakan Ur-El: It is something like that, but farther from it, so don't put it as an example because you will confuse people.
Interlocutor: From your point of view that is to say, spiritually, Is this experiment bad, good or it is somewhat neutral...?
Johnakan Ur-El: On one hand, I cannot endorse for the one who embodies, because remember that a being that embodies has avidity to live, and he is forced to disincarnate soon due to a non resolved problem of cloning. On the other hand, the spirit that is incorporated into a cloned body already knows that he is going to disembody at a young age and it will be good to him to revert certain karma.
In the same way that there are those who endorse dying in a fire to revert certain karma. However, it doesn't mean that me, as a Thetan and I say Thetan because I am incarnated endorse suffering. Do you understand this concept?
Interlocutor: Yes, it is clear. It is a dual interpretation prefectlly valid.
Johnakan Ur-El: If the spirit “X” suddenly says: "I will embody and at the age of five years I will die in Jerusalem due to a Palestinian bomb" Well. He decides it because it is a karma that he has to revert. But that doesn't mean that I feel happy for that circumstance.
Interlocutor: Obviously!
Johnakan Ur-El: I understand the reasons, I depersonalize myself, but I don't endorse it from the point of view of mercy. Do you understand me?
Interlocutor: Yes, the concept is clear.
Johnakan Ur-El: Then, you ask me: is the experiment “valid”?, Do you approve it? And yes, I approve it in the sense that they are karmatic tests. But is it okay? Yes, it is fine because these tests represent learning that liberate the spirit from karma. But it doesn't make me happy the fact of seeing a spirit going through painful tests.
Interlocutor: All of this is perfectly clear... Can I ask one more question?
Johnakan Ur-El: No, because the vessel is very weak and I have other things to do... I leave all my Light with you.
Interlocutor: Well... See you later, Johnakan, and thank you.

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