THE  BLACK  POPE 
The  Truth About The Jesuits and The Black Pope 
After the  foundation of the Society of Jesus by Ignatius of Loyola, the Jesuits have been  considered a powerful sect inside Catholicism. The book “Vatican Assassins”  written by Eric Jon Phelps describes the count Hans Kolvenbach as the most  powerful man in the World, who is even above the Vatican and the government of  the United States. The book also explains that the Jesuits are behind the  assassinations of the most important figures like John F. Kennedy and Martin  Luther King. Is there something real about this? 
IS THERE A  BLACK POPE BEHIND THE PAPAL THRONE? 
SESSION  21/OCT/03  
Medium:  Jorge Olguin 
Entity  that came to dialogue: Johnakan Ur-El  
Interlocutor:  The first question I have is related to the so-called “Black Pope”, a name that  obviously has nothing to do with the skin color but to the “maximum boss” of the  Jesuits. I extracted from the Internet a news report made by the journalist Rick  Martin to Eric Jon Phelps, author of the book "Vatican Assassins", this book has  to do with the Count Hans Kolvenbach, as the Superior General of the Jesuits,  and who is considered as the power behind the Pope, the president of the United  States and even the Mafia, pulling the threads. Concretely, he says that the  Jesuits are behind all the important assassinations such as the president  Lincoln, the Pope John Paul  I  (Albino Luciani) who died thirty three days after his election, the president  John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, etc.  
Johnakan  Ur-El: There are groups of Jesuits that look for the power itself. They have  lust for power.  
Interlocutor:  Does somebody called Hans Kolvenbach exist? who is the Superior General of the  Jesuits?      
Johnakan  Ur-El: He exists, but this person has nothing to do with the Black Pope that  Phelps is referring to. It is only a delusion of the author.       
Interlocutor:  Isn’t there any other parallel Pope more powerful than the Pope himself? I mean  to the current Pope.  
Johnakan  Ur-El: No, there is nothing. The book is a total insanity.  
Interlocutor:  Then, What is the truth about Eric Jon Phelps and his book “Vatican Assassins”?   
Johnakan  Ur-El: There is a Jesuit sect that wants to take control over the religious  power, but not for desire of wealth, but they want to spread a more rigid  doctrine that the current doctrine. And you know that the current doctrine is  strict!  
Interlocutor:  Is there a powerful sect that manipulates the Pope, the United States, the  Mafia, etc., etc.?  
Johnakan  Ur-El: This is nothing more than a blunder. There are bishops and cardinals who  are inside that sect. But they don't have that power. They only have influences.  In these moments the Pope is very weak, his mental decoder almost destroyed, and  naturally he is being influenced by his entourage. He has such big ego that  instead of abdicating and taking care of his health, he wants to continue until  the last consequences.  
Interlocutor:  In what spiritual plane is he?  
Johnakan  Ur-El: In the plane 3. He is a spirit of error.  
Interlocutor:  Will he descend of level when he disembodies?  
Johnakan  Ur-El: No, because in fact he thinks that what he does is correct.   
Interlocutor:  This author I mentioned says concretely that the Jesuits were those that  conspired against  Kennedy since he  wanted to stop the war in Vietnam, because they wanted to continue this war with  the excuse that they could not convert the Vietnamese to Christianity, because  they followed the Buddhist religion, then they preferred to exterminate them.   
Johnakan  Ur-El: That is completely absurd, because in Vietnam there are not as many  Buddhists as in other countries. There are more Buddhists in India, in China, in  Japan, in Tibet. What happens is that this author, as many others, he has mixed  truths with fantasies. And we already know that in these cases it is necessary  to discard totally what he says.  
Interlocutor:  Excuse me if I insist, because I don't want to leave any doubt: Concretely,  there is no Black Pope, no Superior General commanding all the world, and  the Jesuits are not behind the murders of the  leaders of the world, Am I right?  
Johnakan  Ur-El: No, there is nothing like that, not even closer. To dominate the world  one would have to have a tremendous arsenal of weapons.  
Interlocutor:  The only thing I can think of is that the spirits of error have influenced  enormously to Eric Jon Phelps and his book was influenced directly by them.   
Johnakan  Ur-El: Of course, the spirits of error have been behind!  
Interlocutor:  Well, this is clear. I already suspected that something like that could happen.  It was illogical.  
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