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Medium: Jorge Olguin.

Entity that came to dialogue: Johnakan Ur-El.
Who will come now?
Johnakan Ur-El: I greet you. I am Johnakan, thetan of this vessel.
Interlocutor: How are you, Johnakan?... Here I have some questions that your incarnated part has given me.
Johnakan Ur-El: Above all things I want to offer to all of you the Light of the Absolute. You can ask.
Interlocutor: The first question is about “individual genetics” and “genetics of the species”
Johnakan Ur-El: It was already published in different newspapers of this country, Argentina, as well as other countries, what I anticipated one year ago, that is to say that the man is prepared to know, according to genetic studies, how long he can live in this physical plane.
Regrettably, malicious tendencies of several laboratories due to economic reasons can delay the complete study of the human genome for their own benefit.
I hope it doesn’t happen, and that information be revealed, keeping in mind the ethical part, because there are people - 99%, in this world at least- who are not prepared to know how many years of life they have left, because they are still afraid of what you call “death”
What most of the people don't know is that there is a genetic study on each individual being as well as a genetic study on the human race and the more evolved the species are, the less life expectancy they have as species.
Theoretically, and this is an arbitrary measure, and this should not be taken literally, the human race, as a race, it could have between 1 and 10 million years of life left.
But this is not necessarily like that because if the humans study how to change their own genetics, they can live a longer time as a race. Do you understand me?
Interlocutor: Perfectly. Do scientists know this?
Johnakan Ur-El: The current scientists don't know it because they only study each human individual's genetics, ignoring that a genetics of the species exist. And this is strange since they are pretty advanced and they should have discovered it by now.
Interlocutor: Grupo Elron revealed this scoop almost one year ago, since the Master Jesus himself revealed this fact in advance.
Johnakan Ur-El: Correct, there is no other group, no school, no person who knows this. Let’s move on to the second question.
Interlocutor: How is Service manifested?
Johnakan Ur-El: This is a very important question. In the ancient Israel nobody did proselytism of teaching, because nobody imposed a teaching on those who didn't want to learn.
When the Master Jesus, my dear Master, spoke at the foot of the rocks, he was not doing proselytism, because he didn't impose any teaching on anybody, he simply spoke to people who had come voluntarily to listen to him, who were from his own town, Persia or Damascus or from Oriental countries.
Interlocutor: When we send correspondence to somebody we are sending a teaching they have not requested!
Johnakan Ur-El: No, it is not like that. I will explain it in a very simple way. Let’s suppose that we are talking and then I tell you: “Look, brother, here you have this chart, you can learn with it. I’ll give it to you. Study it”
You can come the next week and tell me: “This point and that other point interests me”or “take it back I am not interested”. Then I don't insist.
When you send correspondence to several places you are not imposing a teaching. If you did, then you would be doing proselytism. You are simply saying: “Look we are doing this, Are you interested?”
If they don't pay attention, it’s their problem. What you should not do is impose a teaching, even if it belongs to the Light.
If they don't respond it will be because it is not their time, it will be because they are not interested, it will be because they think that they are the owners of the truth. In fact nobody is the owner of the truth. We who are in the 5th plane of vibration are not even the owners of the truth! The truth is only patrimony of the Absolute Essence, of the Cosmic Plasm.
Interlocutor: This is perfectly clear.
Johnakan Ur-El: Go on to the third question.
Interlocutor: Well. Why was the spirit created with engrams?
Johnakan Ur-El: The answer is very simple. The spirit was created with reactive mind so that that reactive mind later on creates engrams and therefore through imperfection the spirit would evolve.
Interlocutor: The key question is:Why the spirits were not created as Spirits of Light directly.
Johnakan Ur-El: The answer is because this universe was created by the Absolute [Eon] according to certain physical laws that even escape to the Absolute once created. The Absolute creates the laws and then he is subjected to the same laws...
Interlocutor: Something similar to an inventor of the rules of a certain game, if he wants to play it, he has to obey those rules he created?
Johnakan Ur-El: Correct. One example is that the Absolute decreed that the water wets, and as a consequence water inherently wets, and the same Creator respects his ordinance.
Interlocutor: I understand perfectly.
Johnakan Ur-El: Then, it is inherent to the universe created by the Absolute the existece of a law of entropy. This law of entropy says that the universe degenerates as universe that is to say it always goes toward chaos.
Interlocutor: And how can this law of entropy be counterbalanceed?
Johnakan Ur-El: The only thing that can counterbalances this law is Spiritual Evolution – and this has also been foreseen by the Absolute-. When the spirits evolve, they send a vibration that stops that entropic chaos.
Interlocutor: It is clear. The spirits could not evolve and therefore they wouldn’t stop the entropic chaos if all of them were created as Spirits of Light. Is this something new or somebody in the planet already knows this?
Johnakan Ur-El: No, the fact that the spirits evolve and at the same time they are those who counterbalance entropy is unknown on this planet, nobody knows it in the thousands of planets of the universe either.
Scientists only know that the law of Entropy exists, but nothing else. The law of entropy, on the other hand, is also known many years ago.
Interlocutor: How do the spirits counterbalance this law when they evolve?
Johnakan Ur-El: The spirit, who tryes to evolve, emits a kind of evolutive radiation that supplements that entropy so that the universe doesn't degenerate more quickly than the strictly necessary time before the Big Crunch or the end of the universe comes something that could happen within 20.000 or 30.000 million years.
Interlocutor: It is perfectly clear.
Johnakan Ur-El: Continue with another question.
Interlocutor: What is the final prize of evolution? I believe that it was said many times before, but in any case, it is worthwhile the reiteration.
Johnakan Ur-El: What did we say?
Interlocutor: It was said that at the end of the evolution we will merge with the Absolute as a part of him.
Johnakan Ur-El: Correct, but what was not said is that there is a previous instance.
Interlocutor: Feeling the Love of the Absolute?
Johnakan Ur-El: There is one thing before.
Interlocutor: I don't remember.
Johnakan Ur-El: You don't remember it because it has not been said. The previous prize is Illumination.
Interlocutor: I don’t understand what you mean.
Johnakan Ur-El: Illumination is discovering that the true prize is to enjoy Service.
Interlocutor: But only with Illumination one enjoys? I ask it because when I Serve I feel the joy of Service.
Johnakan Ur-El: No, not completely. To my own incarnated part I mean to my vessel at this moment - and look that as a thetan, I’m in the 5th vibratory plane, sublevel 9, which is the highest plane that a spirit can reach-. it happened to him in certain circumstances the same thing that happened to my cousin Siddhartha in the incarnation when I was Ananda.
Some times in which Siddhartha Served, although it was not to show off, he tried adding points with his own ego. That is to say, my incarnatedpart enjoyed when he served certain person. But another person who was with a lot of ego bothered him. Then one night he meditated and he contacted with me and both of us thought simultaneously: “how can it be that a being who is on the Path of Light enjoys Serving to some people and is also bothered when serving others? Then it was as if something were incomplete.
Interlocutor: The idea you are transmitting me is that with some people he enjoyed being a Servant, and with others he prefered to be seated at the table?
Johnakan Ur-El: One has to serve everybody. Humbleness is the true greatness and the more we give the richer we are. These are not my words, these are words of the Master Jesus. When we give more, I repeat, we become richer.
Interlocutor: Well, here in the physical plane it would seem that incarnated beings think that when they give more to the poorer it’s because they are detaching of something.
Johnakan Ur-El: It is exactly what I was going to say. But I want you to understand the subtlety: when one gives more he/she becomes richer inside, and it’s easier then to elevate oneself. I don’t say “go up”, because there is no “up” in the planes of Light. It is simply another vibratory plane.
Interlocutor: I wonder how a spirit could rise if it is already in the maximum level, like the case of the Master Jesus or your case, for example.
Johnakan Ur-El: There is different way to continue rising spiritually, but it is not about moving to other levels, because anyway Spiritual elevation is not a competition.
Finally, I wanted to say that if Service is enjoyment, nothing will hurt us because in Service I repeat there is no competition, in Service there is no boasting, in Service there is no protagonism, in Service there is no doubt.
In Service the only thing there is is the desire to give, in Service one doesn’t need, in Service one doesn’t manipulate, in Service one is only useful to the other. All the time we have is only to give.
Obviously, I am one of the few Masters of Light that has a physical part incarnated. Then, sometimes, I have “shakings” I speak in an understandable way.
I have shakings in my part of Light. It is as if you were sleeping in your physical part and suddenly you wake up startled. Well, suddenly I am in a trance of meditation and I startle myself because my physical part made somethinga little bit doubtful, like suddenly being angry, naturally only few seconds because he controls himself at once. But those seconds destabilize me.
Interlocutor: But. That something inherent to our condition of incarnated beings
Johnakan Ur-El: The idea is to be always above those reactions, in balance. This is the true illumination.
Interlocutor: Who reached Illumination?
Johnakan Ur-El: In fact, all the beings that are in the planes 4 and 5, that is, the planes of Mastery and Light, they are Illuminated beings. But what happens when we embody? You have to keep in mind that we embody from zero, without memory. Remember what could have happened to Kether when he embodied in Ani to stop that religious schism. He could have failed!
Interlocutor: Is the physical plane a trap, then?
Johnakan Ur-El: I would not call it a trap, but rather “test”. My physical part found it difficult more than his current incarnation to start watching, to begin discovering. -And he is still discovering- . The Path of Light.
My spiritual 10% who is my incarnated part, therefore, he has not yet been illuminated.
This topic about the 10% can end up confusing those people that barely begin this Path which would be the spiritual and angelic world. Most of the people think that they embody with the whole spirit, and in fact only embodies 10%. The other 90% stays in its corresponding plane, which may be the plane 2, 3, 4 or 5.
Then, the incarnated part you call “Jorge Olguin”, I mean, this vessel, is the same thing that me Johnakan Ur-El, or Ananda, or John Zebedee. Jorge is the 10% of me, and Johnakan I am the 90%.
Interlocutor: But you, as a spirit, you already found illumination?
Johnakan Ur-El: I already found Illumination many years ago , as a 100% spirit. But when I embodied again, that 10% has destabilized me many times, although I didn't lower of plane because the Spiritual planes have certain elasticity.
Interlocutor: Concretely, the incarnated part has the power to lower of plane his/her spirit?
Johnakan Ur-El: The incarnated part has the power to make us descend of plane if he/she commits outrages. What would happen if I am in the plane 5 and my incarnated part commits a serious hostile act, such as murder, rape, swindle or whatever? My spiritual part will be destabilized to such a point that not only will go down to the plane 4, it can go down directly to the planes 3 or 2.
I clarify that in the spiritual world neither prize nor punishment exists. One ascends or lowers of planes by one’s own gravitation of behavior. Altruism rises, selfishness lowers. It is that simple. If my incarnated part made serious mistakes, the planes of Light will act in consequence, that is I will begin densifying, densifying, and automatically I will descend of plane.
Interlocutor: A person asked me the next question: Now we know that Jesus and The Christ are two different entities, and the Christ is a superior entity, to whom would it be necessary to “worship” or both? (sic).
Johnakan Ur-El: The correct word would not be “worship” but “love” because the word worship tends to be more a kind of reverence. And not even the Absolute [Eon] wants reverence. He wants that we love each other nothing else.
The topic is this: When the Master Jesus reached Illumination his body was already prepared, in his spiritual part, to receive the Divine Christic Energy. When the Christic Energy takes him, starting from there he began his two years and three months of messianic campaign.
At this time, the Master Jesus is the Solar Logos and the Christ is the Dimensional Logos. The Christ is one of the 22 dimensional Logos of the whole Universe created by the Absolute [Eon].
Interlocutor: The Christ, obviously, is above the Master Jesus, because it is in the 7th vibratory plane.
Johnakan Ur-El: Correct. The Elohim or minor gods are only above the Christ. With Siddhartha the same thing happened. When Siddhartha was seated under the tree to meditate, the Buddhic Energy took him at the same level of the Christic Energy.
Interlocutor: Is the Christic Energy above the Buddhic Energy?
Johnakan Ur-El: No, I repeat no Divine Energy is above or below the other. Both are in the same level. Jesus and Siddhartha, as Spirits of Light are also in the same level, which is the plane 5.
Interlocutor: The Catholic Church speculate about a Trinity, Is it something real?
Johnakan Ur-El: The theory is partially correct, because the Catholics speak about the Father, the Son and the “Holy Ghost”. This Trinity is erroneous because the “Holy Ghost” doesn't exist.
Interlocutor: Is it only an invention?
Johnakan Ur-El: Correct, it is not real.
Interlocutor: You mentioned that the theory is “partially” correct.
Johnakan Ur-El: Yes, because true Trinity that exists is the one formed by Jesus who is a Spirit of Light, The Christ, that is a Divine Energy, and the Absolute [Eon], the Cosmic Essence, who is everywhere.
Interlocutor: Now I understood: what the Catholic Church denominates “Holy Ghost”, is in fact the Father, that is the Absolute [Eon]
Johnakan Ur-El: Exactly, and the Absolute is as much in the Christic Energy as in the Master Jesus and in the most suffering spirit of error.
Interlocutor: It is perfectly clear. At this moment I’d like to ask about Djwal Khul- called the Tibetan in the books of Alice A. Bailey, the channeler of this Master said that Jesus and Christ in the crucifixion reached a certain initiation, I believe that Jesus from the 4 or the 5 and the Christic Energy the 6 or 7. Is there something real on this?
Johnakan Ur-El: The Divine Energies don't have initiations, the spirits yes. And this simply indicates that initiation means evolution, and while the spirits evolve and they go from initiation to initiation, the Divine Energies don't evolve.
Interlocutor: Is this the main reason that spirits embody to evolve and Divine Energies don’t?
Johnakan Ur-El: Correct. Let’s continue.
Interlocutor: Another of the questions I have scheduled, is if the human spirit evolves from the unicellular animals, going through the mineral Kingdom, then the vegetable Kingdom, later on the animal Kingdom and finally as a man.
Johnakan Ur-El: The spirits embody in the whole matter of the universe, but - and this is important to clarify it-, “transmigration of the soul” doesn't exist. What exists is reincarnation of the soul, a completely different concept.
There is a tendency of Buddhism .And I spoke personally to my brother Siddhartha. which was misinterpreted.
Interlocutor: Even at the present time?
Johnakan Ur-El: Correct, the Tibetan Buddhism even at the present time keeps using it mistakenly.
The animal spirit evolves as animal. The vegetable spirit evolves as vegetable. The mineral spirit evolves as mineral. The human spirit evolves as human.
That is, it doesn't change, for example, from a goat to a man. This sounds beautiful because there is a fable that tells the story of how a goat becomes man, but reality is different.
The transmigration of the souls doesn’t exist, I repeat, but the reincarnation of the souls.
Interlocutor: The human spirit never embodied in a unicellular being , for example.
Johnakan Ur-El: No, the human spirit embodied directly in a man or a woman, and it will always evolve as a man or a woman, as well as the animal embodies in an animal and it will continue evolving as animal.
This doesn't mean an evolutionary stagnation, because the current chimpanzee is much more evolved than the chimpanzee of two million years ago.
Interlocutor: So to remove any doubt, a spirit that embodies at some time as a chimpanzee will never embody in a human organism?
Johnakan Ur-El: No, absolutely not.
Interlocutor: What would be, then, the “Illumination” of the ape?
Johnakan Ur-El: The Illumination of the ape will arrive in its moment when the ape begins understanding behaviors, but it will pass so much time for that to happen. Each species only has its exclusive evolution, which means that it also has an Illumination which is also exclusive. But first it has to make mistakes and learn from them.
The man, as a race was very basic, where the only thing he knew was to peel a banana and therefore he didn't make mistakes. At the same time as reason was installed in him and it began growing, he invented the language, and then his reactive mind began creating engrams indiscriminately, and with them guilt complex, doubts, what a paradox!, the doubts, the underdevelopment and the sufferings came with evolution.
Interlocutor: I assume that emotionally a human suffers more that an animal.
Johnakan Ur-El: Correct, a human being suffers more easily than certain animals. There are female gorillas that give birth to their offspring and they drag them with their umbilical cord until they die downtrodden against the rocks. The impassive gorilla sees her dead creature, she bites the umbilical cord and she leaves the baby there. The gorilla doesn’t suffer, she doesn't realize it.
Interlocutor: Are all the animals indifferent?
Johnakan Ur-El: No, not all of them. There are other species, like the dog that when his master dies (Badly called Master), I would call him “Buddy” or “partner”, he suffers and groans for that partner he no longer has.
Then, one wonders: How is it possible that a gorilla doesn't suffer for her offspring that is dead and it doesn’t even realize it and on the other hand that dog suffers for his partner he lost? What happens is that there are different evolutions and each evolution has its peculiarities.
Interlocutor: I understand. And the elephant?
Johnakan Ur-El: The elephant suffers because he has reactive mind and engrams and traumas.
Interlocutor: Is it something real or a myth when people say that the elephant is spiteful?
Johnakan Ur-El: No, it’s not a myth. The elephant is spiteful to such a point that if a human harmed him even a long time ago the elephant will look for him to take revenge and it even kill him. And this is only reactive mind.
Interlocutor: And what happens with the spirit of the elephant when it disembodies?
Johnakan Ur-El: Spiritually it moves back, because it is not prepared to forgive. But souls don't mix, the elephant always evolves in the same species.
To Conclude, because my vessel is very tired, I clarify that there are other worlds where the vegetable life prevails and the trees converse to each other, they write poetries; there are other worlds where there are races of hairy beings similar to terrestrials anthropoids, they are great philosophers or they have ships. There are other worlds where insects prevail, like the Langar, of the star Arturo, who in spite of being very intelligent they are big predators and the intelligence they have, they use it for evil invading and subjecting other worlds.
I leave all my Light to you.
Interlocutor: See you later, Johnakan, and thank you.

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