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Session 10/OCT/99
Medium: Jorge Raul Olguin.

Entity that came to dialogue: Master Ruanel.
Interlocutor: Well, the first question is related to the most advanced discoveries on Earth, probably in the United States or Russia. What has been done? I mean, obviously, to those discoveries that have not yet revealed and that they’re still hidden.
Ruanel: A discovery that was stopped due to a matter of hazard and a matter of money investment... You have to know that at these moments the projects that have been stopped are Mars, to Venus, etc., due to a financial reason.
Theoretically, in the year 2005, the man was supposed to go to Mars, and now this project has been delayed 20 years... Now it is said that it will be achieved in the year 2025. It is a matter of economy, of dollars.
What I want to convey is that a long time ago, almost more than half century, the Project Philadelphia already existed, where transubstantiation of matter had already been achieved. The matter could even travel through time.
Interlocutor: What was in fact the Philadelphia Experiment, as it’s commonly known?
Ruanel: It was an experiment in which there was not only transubstantiation... it was not as like they said invisible matter to radar, but directly what happened was the disappearance - I ratify disappearance - of matter from the physical plane 1.
Interlocutor: But where did that matter go? To the plane 2?
Ruanel: Yes, it went to the plane 2...
Interlocutor: Was there a ship on the plane 2 then?
Ruanel: Yes, it existed, but not like it was. I will explain it in the most understandable way possible, using as an example computer science. There are different computer programs. For example, if I want to open a picture in MS Word, that picture won’t open in MS Word, but it will appear as if it were a hieroglyphic. Do you understand?
Interlocutor: Perfectly. It is something that happened to me before.
Ruanel: I repeat: if one opens a file in another non compatible program, instead of appearing as it is whether a text or a picture, one will see representative symbols, but not that text or that picture.
When we speak of a ship in the plan 2 or in the plan 3, it doesn’t fuse or reproduce a ship, because in those plans there is no matter, but rather it will appear as a kind of representative lights of that ship, not readable, but not the ship itself.
Even a human body in the plane 2, will see himself and he will see his hands, but he won't see to the other spirits. And then he will say: How come I don't see them if I am also in the plane 2?
What happens is that the images of the spirits will be opaque; they will be representative, not readable, because they will be in another dimension. They will be in the same plane but in different programs.
It is something similar when the angels generate some karma and they lower of level... There are angels of extreme cruelty that can be in the planes 2 and 3... Maybe those angels won't mix with the spirits. They are going to be with representative images, but they won't collide.
Interlocutor: Was there extraterrestrial intervention in the Experiment?
Ruanel: No, no... We should acknowledge that in the physical plane there were big brains. Besides, don’t forget that the spirits of terrestrials are the same spirits of extraterrestrials. Let us give credit to the human beings too.
Interlocutor: But nothing at all, not even in a minimum part there were extraterrestrials in the project?
Ruanel: No, those who worked in that project were American and German scientist fundamentally, I mean German people that sympathized with the United States because in that time both countries were at war.
Interlocutor: That is to say, Americans and Germans that used as a base the unified field theory of Einstein...
Ruanel: Correct, there was scientist of both countries. When I say German people that sympathized with the United States I speak about Germans that were horrified by the massacres of the Nazism.
Interlocutor: I understand... Now then, the ship they were experimenting on disappeared and appeared in another place, according to some witnesses...
Ruanel: But at the same time it traveled through time. Besides it didn't reappear immediately. It was during a while in another vibrational plane.
Interlocutor: And the crew members? It was said that some were seen passing through the walls...
Ruanel: The thing was not like that. First, the experiment was not well performed, because there were flaws in the transubstantiation and there were flaws when it became unified again. Let us suppose that I pass from a computer program to another program. Let us suppose from CorelDraw to MSWord, and later on I want to return, but the machine doesn't work well. Then, I transcribe it badly, and the drawing is, for example, with the head on the feet and with the colors changed.
What was made, when everything returned to the physical plane 1, maybe it “put together” the man again, but with the head at one side of the wall and the legs at the other. Or he was badly assembled. Obviously, that man disincarnated because he was cut by the steel of the ship.
Interlocutor: As far as I know others died burnt...
Ruanel: Correct. Others died deformed by the great heat generated by the change of plane. They made the experiment badly because they didn't fulfill the requirements that the theory of the unified field needed to work with success, because the magnetos they put didn't provide the enough magnetism to generate balance. When having imbalance in the transubstantiation, everything was a disaster.
Then, the economy was not enough to continue that research and the Project was filed.
Interlocutor: Did the sailors that suffered all those accidents have some karma to compensate?
Ruanel: No, everything was random.
Interlocutor: There was an enigmatic character, I believe, Allende... who was he? Some alien?
Ruanel: No, he was simply a collaborator.
Interlocutor: Has been achieved in some experiment a dimensional portal or the transference to another parallel universe, for example, using a worm hole
Ruanel: The terrestrial laboratories have achieved small worms where directly small particles can travel to a distance of hundreds light years, but with very small particles.
Interlocutor: That is to say that not even with humans...
Ruanel: No, because they are not sophisticated machines with the necessary balance to achieve it. These machines consume such a big, but so big energy that a worm hole of a cubic millimeter starting from the entrance tunnel would need energy enough to supply a big city as Chicago during a whole night, for example.
Interlocutor: Have the Americans been able to defeat gravity in some magnitude?
Ruanel: Yes, in small magnitudes. The physicists to whom I respect a lot, have achieved antimatter somehow, they have been able to defeat gravity...
Interlocutor: Are we always speaking of United States or Russia as well?
Ruanel: No, only the United States. What Russia did, and I believe that it’s lost... there was a rest of a space ship... and this is interesting for you since you are interested on the topic... There was a ship, and this might seem laughable that didn't come in exploratory mission, but simply to sightseeing...
Interlocutor: Are you telling me that these aliens came to our planet, as we can go to another country on vacation?
Ruanel: Correct. Just like the airplanes on this planet that transport passengers, this ship was transporting travelers as tourists who were coming to have a good time.
Interlocutor: And in which place did they land?
Ruanel: In a part of Siberia.
Interlocutor: Was there some special reason they did land there?
Ruanel: Yes, because the planet where they came from was, I mean it is a very cold planet and the hard weather of Siberia was very good for them.
Interlocutor: Can we know what planet it is?
Ruanel: It doesn’t matter. What matters is what happened... Just like there are people on Earth who go on a trip to a place and they don't take care of ecology, throwing away waste, cans and leftovers of food, these extraterrestrials although very but very advanced thought that this place was completely deserted and there was not nobody, so they left things in what speaking of terrestrial language would be a "picnic" and the Russians have found them.
Interlocutor: Of what year are we speaking?
Ruanel: 1945... That is to say, several decades ago. Approximately at the same time the Roswell Incident took place... Well, the Russians have found an empty flask. That flask didn't have glass. It was an energy flask...
Interlocutor: I don’t understand... Do you say that it contained energy?
Ruanel: I translate it: let us suppose that we in the physical plane have a fluorescent tube of 15 cm.[6 inches] long, and it has a metallic cap, let us suppose made of titanium, and o the side another cap of titanium, but in the middle an entire energy tube, where if one wants to take on can do it, but feeling it as a resistance, because although to the eye you don't see anything between those caps there is an energy channel.
Interlocutor: It is perfectly clear.
Ruanel: The Russians, considered that flask as empty, because it was a kind of energy flask that didn't contain anything. But it was empty simply because the aliens had consumed its content and then they throw it away.
Interlocutor: Something similar when we drink a beer, for example and we throw away the empty can.
Ruanel: More or less something like that, with the difference that instead of being a metallic can or a glass bottle or plastic it was energy.
Interlocutor: Yes, it is clear.
Ruanel: There was also another similar container that had a green liquid, it had been consumed partially.
Interlocutor: I presume that the Russians should have turned crazy with those containers...
Ruanel: But there were also other objects, and one of them exploded in the hand of one of the Russians and it disintegrated half of his body.
Interlocutor: Was it some weapon?
Ruanel: No, he simply manipulated the object in order to open it and he did mistakenly and then it exploded. All of this teaches a lesson that I want to emphasize... We laugh at Pithecanthropus Erectus, the Man of Neanderthal... What would happen if we gave him a revolver? Unintentionally, he could blow up his head or the head of somebody else!
Interlocutor: Obviously...
Ruanel: And what has happened to these Russian scientists? Once they saw the destruction made by that artifact to the body of their partner who was manipulating it, they took it with infinite precautions trying to figure out its secrets.
Interlocutor: And what is it known at the present time about these objects and the result of that research?
Ruanel: Presumably they have gotten lost because the economic problems of Russia finished with those researches and its results were filed in some unknown place, if they didn't disappear completely.
This is, then, the message of this experience: the human being shows arrogance and superiority before who preceded him in evolution and he ends up disintegrated - and obviously dead – as he was not able to manipulate a simple flask brought to us by extraterrestrial tourists.
Interlocutor: I understand the message, Master... Returning to the topic of discoveries... For example, have they discovered methods to provoke earthquakes?
Ruanel: Not at a strange level as you want to convey. They can be provoked if nuclear devices are placed in certain places and they are detonated though.
Interlocutor: I understand... And about weapons of war, which is the most destructive?
Ruanel: The neutron bomb.
Interlocutor: And flying disks?
Ruanel: Even though Americans want to make the world believe that they are a "superpower", and all those things, they are still experimenting with antigravity and their achievements are insignificant.

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