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The death of Lisa McPherson was induced by some irresponsible Scientologists who drifted away from the technology developed by Ron Hubbard, These bad scientologists used psychiatric methods of suppression with her. In this shameful case the Technology of Scientology had nothing to do, On the contrary, Lisa McPherson received Psychiatric treatment ironically by bad scientologists, Although few scientologist are responsible of her death, the organization of Scientology is not completely blameless. Lisa McPherson’s death was used cleverly by detractors of Scientology for that reason.
Concretely, those who murdered Lisa were the rotten apples of the organization. Regrettably this crime is unpunished, but it’s also important to make a difference between people and organizations. Scientology has a technology capable to set free a man from many problems. Grupo Elron is not against Scientology, but the truth must be told. It has been the Spirit of Ron Hubbard the one who has unveiled those who are responsible in this case once and for all.

Medium : Jorge Olguin.

Entity that came to talk: Ron Hubbard, founder of Dianetics and Scientology.
Interlocutor: I’ll move on immediately to another topic that I consider very important for Scientology.
Ron Hubbard: Go Ahead.
Interlocutor: I want to talk about the case of Lisa McPherson whose death in the organization was never clarified properly. What did really happen? I mean if it was an excess of scientologists, an accident, something karmatic, the spirits of error…
Ron Hubbard: With honesty, fundamentally it was an excess.
Interlocutor: Could we delve into this matter?, because I’d truly like to clarify it entirely.
Ron Hubbard: When my decoder gives a meaning to the word "clear" that meaning is "free from conditionings" It’s not only free from engrams, it is not only that the reactive mind has control or not over the human spirit. Clear involved much more, but it was very difficult that they understood me in that time. They don't even understand it today.
Interlocutor: What else does that word involve?
Ron Hubbard: Clear involves avoiding pedantry, whims, arrogance. Many times I have been very disappointed by different "disciples", because they could pass perfectly an auditing test and the following day they made horrors, horrors of arrogance, they believed they were the best. There is something that cannot be taught with auditing and that is Humbleness, and most of those who have been in the organization are not humble. Maybe it has been my mistake, being incarnated, I left the teachings so literally, but in fact I thought that I didn't have other choice at that moment.
Actually there was no other way to do it. If I had to make a comparison I would make it with the Master Siddharta, 2500 years ago, when he had to be strict and teach Buddhism like a doctrine, being that we know that all doctrine is pernicious. But like they were so few followers of Siddharta in that time, he had to teach a doctrine of Sutras. In my case, sixty years ago, I had to indoctrinate my ideas although I, from my 5th spiritual plane, feel aversion for the word doctrine. But I didn't have another choice in that moment, because the postulates of that new science were literal so that they had to be learnt in that way, otherwise they would not have learnt them.
Interlocutor: Was it because they were very new ideas?
Ron Hubbard: Sure! Although the concepts were very simple, it was something very revolutionary for that time, as much as the teachings of Jesus were in his time or those teachings of Galileo, only to mention two of the pioneers that humanity had, without impairment of others.
Interlocutor: I understand. And right now I can see it with some people who cannot accept the simple and obvious fact, for example that Jesus has been resurrected by extraterrestrials.
Ron Hubbard: The problem that followed after I disembodied was that my heirs, -let’s call them in that way- and this is important to highlight they didn't have an ample criterion. It’s not enough being “clear”, it is not enough at all, because if one doesn't have ample criterion everything collapses.
I can say that the white is white, the black is black, the gray is gray, but that doesn't mean that other colors don’t exist.
I have to have discernment, know how to listen to the others. That’s also part of a Clear spirit, not only my decoder clear. In most of the tests of Scientology, whether auditing or courses, we endeavor that the decoder be free from engrams, but the spiritual part is not touched. Then most of the scientologists, when they are already Operating Thetans, they are invaded by a tremendous arrogance, a tremendous pedantry, to the point that if you try to refute them something, they attack you because they are self-conceited in their ego so it’s impossible to correct them.
Interlocutor: Didn't you deal with the matter of Ego in Scientology?
Ron Hubbard: No, that is precisely the issue, I didn't deal with Ego.
Interlocutor: And why didn't you deal with it being so important?
Ron Hubbard: Simply because in my physical life, I didn't have time to do everything.
Interlocutor: I understand, I Myself, and also Jorge, we don't have time to do all the things we should do. Didn't you by chance have a feeling that others could come to continue your work?
Ron Hubbard: Being incarnated I had my doubts... But also maybe I had been too absent-minded with the whole technology that I had developed and that made me be a little blind to the possibility that others could be able to take Scientology to a higher level.
Interlocutor: I understand.
Ron Hubbard: Besides, and to be honest, Scientology slipped out of my hands, saying it with an expression of the physical plane, and now scientologists are so indoctrinated, so literal that they are wobbling the system. Many of the complaints that I visualize from my spiritual plane, are real. Not all the complaints are from people that simply attack to put sticks to the wheel. They have truly made havoc.
There are beautiful examples like those that are given often by the movie actors that don't need to obtain benefits with that topic like Tom Cruise, John Travolta and others, because they already have millions of dollars in their bank accounts. They with a single movie earn 20 million dollars. I say it because there are many that are opposed to Scientology because they argue that they obtain benefits from it and it is not true.
Interlocutor: You are telling me that there are scientologist that have made…
Ron Hubbard: There are scientologists whose names have not come to the light who have committed real misdeeds, they have mistreated their patients, they have brainwashed people
Interlocutor: Master, what you are saying it’s very strong!! I can hardly believe that there are scientologists who act like psychiatrists, especially when Scientology is the enemy number one of Psychiatry.
Ron Hubbard: It is strong, but it is true. There are scientologists that have made the impossible to stand out, and some of them are so silly, so cretin, so closed-minded, so petulant that they believe they are owners of the truth and when you contradict them or tell them something that they don't like, they want to eat you alive, and I say it literally, without any euphemism.
Interlocutor: Master, why don't we expose those bad scientologists with their names and last names? I tell you the names and you confirm who they are.
Ron Hubbard: It’s not necessary, because all the leaders who are known are in this category. They are pedantic; they believe that aside from them everybody is wrong. The true scientologist has to be open-minded and regrettably none of them are open-minded. Nobody can be called scientologist if he or she doesn't have capacity of discernment.
Interlocutor: Returning to the case of Lisa McPherson. There is a statement that maybe is too cruel to apply it here. I mean that one cannot make a omelet without breaking some eggs.
Ron Hubbard: No, that proverb is not applicable because in that way we would be justifying everything. It is as if one insinuates that it will always be victims and it is not like that. There can be techniques, and there are techniques in the physical plane, where there are no victims.
Interlocutor: How would you define what Scientology has made?
Ron Hubbard: I would relate it to an institute where the best clinic in the world has been built, where the best doctors have been trained, and later on those doctors became corrupted and they began performing abortions.
Interlocutor: what you are saying, It’s very strong, Master!!!,. You already know that I am very grateful to Scientology because it took me out from a tremendous well, something that could not be made by Psychoanalysis or psychiatric drugs that even plunged me more.
Ron Hubbard: I’m not speaking of Scientology, but about the “people” who is in charge of it, who at this time are not well levelheaded. Practically, and I don't say it for ego, because I already transcended the physical plane, you understand it, these bad scientologists make me look bad. In these moments my mission is another.
Interlocutor: I understand the viewpoint perfectly of what you are telling me. Returning to the concrete case of Lisa McPherson, what happened to her concretely? I want to clarify this and not give the impression that Scientology is unadvisable.
Ron Hubbard: Scientology is not unadvisable, but just the opposite, because the technique that I developed continues being excellent, as much the auditing as the courses, and it reverts engrams. I’m not criticizing the technique, this must be very clear, I’am not criticizing the diverse Centers of Dianetics and Scientology either, where it’s taught the capacity of physical, psychic and spiritual destruction that engrams have and the reactive mind of all embodied beings. This technique allows to annul this capacity of destruction and set free the man.
Interlocutor: At some time you mentioned that the technique was incomplete. Did you mean exclusively that it doesn't deal with the Self-centered part?
Ron Hubbard: Sure, Scientology doesn't solve the roles of Ego. We know that since seven years ago. But not only it has this flaw, but rather it is also necessary to include the men that carry out that technology ahead.
Interlocutor: Are you referring to the leaders mainly?
Ron Hubbard: Yes, mainly to the leaders.
Interlocutor: Well, then they are few.
Ron Hubbard: They are not so few. We are speaking about a higher percentage.
Interlocutor: How much? Maybe 5%?
Ron Hubbard: No, much more, at least the double and much more.
Interlocutor: A 10 or 11%?
Ron Hubbard: Correct. It is a higher percentage.
Interlocutor: Good, but there are 90% of scientologists that are positive.
Ron Hubbard: Yes, correct, but I repeat that this percentage of a 10% or 11% is still very high. The therapist, in the path or in the technique whatsoever, first he has to have humbleness, not to treat to the new patient who is being assisted as if he were an ignorant or an imbecile, because this would mean to treat him as an inferior person and it is not like that. Nobody is inferior to anybody. We speak that the man is inherently kind, and this kindness, by definition, is exempt from pedantry and arrogance. Kindness is full of condescension, solidarity, and politeness.
Interlocutor: This is perfectly clear, Master, and concretely in the case of Lisa McPherson?
Ron Hubbard: Before I want to complete the idea. I continue being proud of what was created by my 10% in the physical plane. I clarify that pride doesn't have anything to do with Ego. We are speaking about an emotional pride, a pride of having created something to help the human being to revert certain engrams. The Goodness has its limits, because if I produce you tickles on the skin and it turns out that you like it so much that you request me stronger ticklings, I can even kill you.
Interlocutor: Obviously.
Ron Hubbard: What I mean is that all technique has to be carried out with balance, with behavior of those that apply it. If I treat you with spite, if I treat you with indifference, with haughtiness saying: "You have to thank me tbecause I am wasting my time on you", then instead of reverting engrams they are creating subliminal engrams with the content that the person is a small thing.
A scientologist has to give another impression and in these moments they are not giving that impression. We are speaking about a 10% or 11% of scientologists that have arrogance closer to insanity. We have already spoken that the Masters of Light are characterized first by their Service and then by their Humbleness, because one cannot speak of Service if there is no Humbleness.
Giving Service from pedantry is false, because the one they are serving in fact is their own ego. If I give you so that later on you praise me, you are increasing my ego, and then I am not a Master of Light.
They are not Masters, they are serving from the pedestal of arrogance, from the pedestal of pedantry, and WOE!! If you contradict them!. Fortunately there are 89% or 90% who fight, and they fight well, from the spirit, because the technique gives result and people get better. There are big humble propagandists in Scientology who seek people that need help. But there are others that are tortuous and they don't even admit at least that you contradict them. And this is the first time that I speak about this topic in the seven years that I communicate with you.
They believe they are Heirs of an Empire, and Empires don't exist in the spiritual plane! because every technique has to be improved. This is what they don't understand. Every technique is susceptible of being improved.
Interlocutor: Excuse me if I interrupt for one second your clarifying words to outline my intrigue regarding to scientologists, except for very but very few of them, they have not been informed of the dialogues that we have with you. And I mention it because they are spread all over the Internet through the website of Grupo Elron.
Ron Hubbard: Some scientologist are so self-conceited in their own ego that directly they don’t bother in criticizing and they dismiss the words denying that they are mine. They only give for valid what my 10% left written.
Interlocutor: The point is Clarified. Returning to the case of Lisa McPherson, what did she die from? The official version of Scientology is that she died of meningitis, but the official version says that she died of malnutrition and dehydration.
Ron Hubbard: I agree with this last version, because her body lacked of nutriments and fluids.
Interlocutor: But what do these factors have to do with Scientology?
Ron Hubbard: Her reactive mind was defensive and she had a crisis at psychic level and they had not found an answer for her. Besides, She was devaluated, she felt unprotected, she felt like a victim and as a consequence of this she was neglecting her body until she disembodied.
Interlocutor: What percentage of responsability did those bad scientologist who treated Lisa have? I say those "bad scientologists" because otherwise I would be involving to the rest that didn't have anything to do with her case.
Ron Hubbard: Let’s emphasize well that those bad scientologists as you call them, they acted with tremendous arrogance, trying to induce her to go ahead believing that they had the “Philosopher’s Stone” and they could transform her, and instead they suppressed her, and destroyed her mentally.
Interlocutor: Are you telling me that they should request the simple help from a doctor, at least for the physical problem she had?
Ron Hubbard: Totally, but their arrogance prevented them to do so.
Interlocutor: How should they have treated Lisa so that she get better?
Ron Hubbard: In all the cases, first a technique of contention have to be used. Every auditor, although in his beginnings, he has to be a little bit the patient's contender. First speaking to her with tranquilizing words: "You are here to be helped, we will make all the possible things to take you out ahead, you will relate your problems, we will review them, and while you review them you will be alleviated.". It is not about suggesting the person, it is not about putting an engram over another. When one speaks of "alleviation" it is not about putting an engram of relief over another engram of tragedy. It is simply about a common dialogue, where the person is totally analytic I mean that she is not dragged at all.
Interlocutor: It is clear. What percentage of responsibility in her death do you give to Lisa, if she has some, and to those bad scientologist?
Ron Hubbard: 50%.
Interlocutor: Was Lisa really isolated like those who accuse from her death to Scientology say?
Ron Hubbard: That they have her isolated, it is true.
Interlocutor: Do you mean literally? Has she been confined?
Ron Hubbard: Yes, they have confined her up trying, with tremendous arrogance, to take her out of her situation by pushing her.
Interlocutor: But that is what psychiatrists do!!!
Ron Hubbard: Totally.
Interlocutor: But that is just the opposite of what you said in the techniques that you developed when you were incarnated!
Ron Hubbard: That’s what I meant when I said that they did things that don't have anything to do with Scientology. They have abused of their knowledge trying, with a total pedantry, to take her out of her situation, no matter what.
Interlocutor: But that is absolutely insane!
Ron Hubbard: That’s correct.
Interlocutor: Do you consider that Lisa's death concretely by these bad scientolgist is an authentic crime?
Ron Hubbard: With total honesty, yes.
Interlocutor: Even though they only have 50% of responsibility in her death?
Ron Hubbard: Even so.
Interlocutor: Is it an unpunished crime?
Ron Hubbard: Regrettably, yes.
Interlocutor: And how are these bad scientologist?
Ron Hubbard: They continue thinking that they made the correct thing and they apologize saying that it slipped out of their hands because her case was a lost case.
Interlocutor: In Scientology, Is there some isolation technique as they say?
Ron Hubbard: No, that is false. Isolation is a psychiatric technique, not from Scientology. Isolation is pernicious because it creates a sensation of solitude and for a spirit that is not prepared it can implant another type of engrams. Besides the spirits of error that communicate with the body of desires intervene and they impel the person to suicide.
Interlocutor: In the case of Lisa McPherson did the spirits of error also have influence on her?
Ron Hubbard: Correct. For that reason I spoke of a 50% of responsibility.
Interlocutor: And wouldn’t it be more correct to say 33%, since it is necessary to include to the spirits of error?
Ron Hubbard: No, because the spirits of error take advantage of the weakness of the incarnated person's decoder. In any case the correct thing would be to attribute 50% to those bad scientologists, 25% to Lisa who had her mental decoder very deteriorated, and 25% to the spirits of error.
Giving 33% of responsability to those bad scientologist would be reducing their responsibility.
Interlocutor: It is clear. Was somehow karmatic what happened to Lisa?
Ron Hubbard: There is always a karma to revert, but don't think that that karma will set free from responsibility to those bad scientologist, because with that approach, I, incarnated, I rape a girl and since it is karmatic for her I am exempt from my karma of rapist. Do you understand?
Interlocutor: Perfectly. To conclude, I will ask you a very difficult question: If in that moment you had been incarnated in front of Scientology, which would be your attitude when finding out what happened to Lisa?
Ron Hubbard: In this punctual case I would have fallen over them with the whole weight of justice to those bad scientologist and I would have directly kicked them out from Scientology.
I don't say it alone, but Johnakan also and the same Master Jesus and other Masters of Light that in all treatment the therapist has to have Love, Love based on Humbleness. A therapist that heals from pedantry, will always make some mistake during the therapy.
Interlocutor: Master, how beautiful axiom!: "A therapist that heals from pedantry, will always make some mistake during the therapy."
Ron Hubbard: I repeat, then that the problem is not in the technique but in the men that apply it. And part of the responsibility I have it because, although I didn't have physical time for it, I omitted the development of that so important issue of the technique.
I never spoke, like I should have spoken in fact, it was not correct to invalidate other techniques, but adding them to those that were developed, Creating in the auditors that sensation of humbleness, to learn how to listen to the other, education, courtesy, formality.
Interlocutor: Master, I will disagree a little, because all that you say I found it in the writings that you left, except maybe what concerns to add other techniques. For example, I remember very well that in the book Dianetics, the modern science of mental health, you say that the auditor should be civilized with the patient, and this expression involves all those things.
Ron Hubbard: I don't deny it, but maybe I should have been more explicit and not only take it for granted. On the other hand, if you notice, some guidelines of survival that I left written they are truly beautiful, and they have not applied them. Those bad scientologists are in the lowest part of the tonal scale 1.1 and they cannot help others because they themselves are fallen. For that reason I constantly repeat that the technique that I developed doesn't have anything to do. It is as if a surgeon were operating with a rusty scalpel.
Interlocutor: Or with a kitchen knife.
Ron Hubbard: It is the same thing.
Interlocutor: To conclude, here I read Lisa's medical report that concretely says that she died because of a blood clot in her left lung provoked by blocked blood vessels, after a serious dehydration. Do you agree with this diagnosis?
Ron Hubbard: Yes, it is correct.
Interlocutor: It is said that she didn’t drink liquid during five or ten days.
Ron Hubbard: No, it is not like that, not so many days, but the liquid she had in her body was minimum.
Interlocutor: Have they hit Lisa? I ask it because the medical report mentions bruises.
Ron Hubbard: Yes, it is true.
Interlocutor: Master, I cannot believe that a scientologist hits a patient, precisely when the patient must be protected!!!
Ron Hubbard: However that is what happened to her.
Interlocutor: Were there bug bites also?
Ron Hubbard: No, that’s false.
Interlocutor: Is there something else about this terrible incident?
Interlocutor: Okay, Master, I’ll do it.
Ron Hubbard: I leave all my Light with all of you.
Interlocutor: See you later, Master, and thank you.
Dianetics and Scientology have been supplemented by professor Jorge Olguin by means of the Techniques:
Psychointegration and Psychoauditing

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